Session Start (kornbluth.freenode.net:#zdoom): Fri Jul 25 22:56:09 2003 [22:56:08] *** Now talking in #zdoom. *** Topic of #zdoom: I think some of you need to read this again - (Link: http://www.freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml)http://www.freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml *** Set by ChanServ 4164 minutes ago *** Users on #zdoom: Bloodshedder SoM fyre^OS bleak tet deathz0r Hobo lament tobester TisBoyo gatewatcher dmwaters aurikan power_olo AirRaid _Raider_ {BaRaKa} chroz _5h|away Mankeli_ schepe Ralphis PPGEyrd Insomniak BBG Dan0 locust Quast Hirogen2 udk Ebola Manc boris_zZz _Lyfe_ *** End of /NAMES list. *** Your user mode is "+eiw" [22:56:18] and stop trolling, and don't harass the channel staff [22:56:26] i wasnt *** Mode for channel #zdoom is "+stncF" *** Channel #zdoom was created at Sun Nov 03 02:59:46 2002 [22:56:37] speaking your mind is not trolling [22:56:40] Quast: it's directed at certain people, and they know who they are [22:56:40] hi bloodshedder [22:56:44] hi bs [22:56:47] heh [22:56:47] who? [22:56:57] Quast: I don't have to say their names [22:57:19] and i sure wanst harrasing channel staff [22:57:28] oh darn, i missed it all [22:57:34] Quast: shush then and dont worry about it if it's not you [22:57:36] bs: you didn't miss much [22:58:32] its about time for some warcraft 3 anyway [22:59:47] no [23:00:08] diablo 2 then [23:00:10] purty graphics + warcraft 2 = WC3 [23:00:15] i dont really go for it [23:00:25] when the new patch comes out ill start playing again [23:00:29] my undead will rule all [23:02:45] *** Ralphis has left #zdoom [23:02:58] poor ralphjis [23:03:24] ralphjizz? [23:03:31] heh [23:03:36] you said it not me [23:03:48] typo [23:03:56] and how they #&$ [23:04:01] # [23:05:53] i smell a totalitarianism and corruption sandwich [23:06:11] with a side of moldy mayonaisse [23:06:15] (sp) [23:06:22] mayonnaise? [23:06:46] and a side of extremely sheltered individuals [23:07:00] who's main goal in life is to control and moderate the way people think [23:07:12] and cover it up by calling it safe [23:07:19] cock [23:07:26] heh [23:07:29] you ruined it [23:07:32] yup [23:07:38] i was in the zone too [23:07:42] free speech does not exist here [23:07:44] 9_9 [23:07:44] gottverdammtes [23:07:58] the twilight zone!!!!111 [23:08:09] * Hobo downloads the twilight zone theme MIDI [23:08:17] heh [23:08:18] because the Mp3 would be considered piracy [23:08:22] and that would be bad [23:08:35] hobo: since when did asking people to act in a mature way become totalitarianstic? [23:08:37] I downloaded Baba O'Reily and Won't Get Fooled Again midis [23:08:50] heh [23:08:51] +i [23:08:53] so I can play along to the synths [23:08:56] SoM: define mature [23:09:05] how do you measure ones maturity? [23:09:11] not annoying, gross, or stupid [23:09:14] cock length [23:09:17] compared to one other [23:09:22] there's a good example right there [23:09:24] heh [23:09:25] hm, this whole offensive strike by the riaa seems to have scared a lot of people. [23:09:27] hobo: what Bloodshedder [23:09:27] said [23:09:31] yes [23:09:38] bah [23:09:40] cock length? [23:09:45] oh heh [23:09:49] sorry bout that [23:09:51] the RIAA will be destroyed by the masses [23:09:58] nah [23:10:05] [21:07] cock length [23:10:08] [21:08] heh [23:10:08] [21:08] there's a good example right there [23:10:13] we won't tolerate them and there will be riots [23:10:19] hah [23:10:21] i was referring to his immaturity in saying that [23:10:27] bas.org that, Hobo [23:10:31] *bash [23:10:39] heh [23:10:42] yes [23:10:50] nah [23:10:57] man, I submitted, like, 30 quotes to Bash.org, and none showed up [23:11:04] haha [23:11:06] and they were the cream of the crap [23:11:10] that's because you suck [23:11:11] Insomniak: because bash.org is for FUNNY quotes :P [23:11:13] i might get in trouble with teh chanelle polize!!11111 [23:11:21] i was referring to his immaturity in saying that <--his imature cock length olOLOLZ [23:11:24] oh ho ho SoM, you're real funny [23:11:28] hobo: 9_9 [23:11:41] oh i forgot [23:11:47] i am already on the "i hate you list" [23:11:55] OMG LIST! [23:11:57] i am considered immature because i don't buy in to this crap [23:11:59] i bought new guitar stringsa [23:12:01] -a [23:12:16] because i express my views on things [23:12:23] because i dont fall in line like the rest of you [23:12:32] EXCUSE ME FOR HAVING A FREE MIND [23:12:34] look [23:12:35] this is your problem, not ours [23:12:43] heh, you ignorant USian! [23:12:45] if it can make sound, it can be recorded [23:12:52] the RIAA can't stop that [23:12:55] hobo: "cock length" is not a view [23:13:00] hobo: you are free to leave the cahnnel if you don't like the channel operators. [23:13:08] heh [23:13:12] it's pure immaturity [23:13:19] i didn't say cock length [23:13:21] SoM: the veiw from here is pretty good [23:13:23] :D [23:13:27] dammit yea i did [23:13:30] hmm [23:13:35] i don't see what's so immature about cursing [23:13:37] 8====:D [23:13:38] and again [23:13:48] ... [23:13:52] mein gott [23:13:53] in and of itself, cursing isn't immature [23:14:00] it's when it's overused or used the wrong way [23:14:04] it shows emotion [23:14:11] *** Mode change "+o SoM" for channel #zdoom by ChanServ [23:14:13] *** Mode change "+q Insomniak!*@*" for channel #zdoom by SoM [23:14:14] ascii penises are wrong though [23:14:21] *** Mode change "-o SoM" for channel #zdoom by SoM [23:14:23] OWNED [23:14:25] SHUT ME UP YEA HAHAHA FUNNY [23:14:30] heh [23:14:33] hobo: nothing wring with cursing. but we must protect minors from it. [23:14:36] * dmwaters stares at hobo [23:14:37] wrong [23:14:48] hmm [23:14:50] pdt [23:14:52] minors? [23:14:53] fFt [23:14:55] ugh [23:15:05] arg stupid keyboard [23:15:07] if they don't want to hear it, let them just ignore it [23:15:08] hobo: all we want is people to act civilized [23:15:11] dmwaters reminds me of one of those dogs that look at you and you think they wont do anything until they rip your throat out [23:15:11] heh [23:15:45] all we're asking is that you guys follow the rules. that's it [23:16:13] to tell you the truth, if a minor needs to be protected from curse words, chances are he/she shouldn't be on an internet chat room in the first place [23:16:17] is that freenode policy or #zdoom policy [23:16:20] well i am following the rules [23:16:36] bleak: um, #zdoom is on freenode [23:16:44] yeah. [23:16:46] so any freenode policy is a #zdoom policy [23:16:46] which government are you double agenting for! [23:16:56] rissia [23:16:59] whoops [23:17:03] heh [23:17:04] although, zdoom can have it's own rule and regulations that can differ from, but not defy, freenode policy [23:17:12] the way i see it, staff is breaking their own policy by raising the channel temperature [23:17:26] like before this became a public channel [23:17:27] it's gettin' hot in herre! [23:17:36] they have to enforce [23:17:39] so kick out all the ops! [23:17:45] :P [23:17:55] face it [23:18:01] hobo: you are raising channel temperature [23:18:02] you bash channel temperaute [23:18:08] temperature*& [23:18:11] *** Zack`away (~a@pcp01404313pcs.radnor01.pa.comcast.net) has joined channel #zdoom [23:18:15] yet you use it to keep people quiet [23:18:17] hobo: settle down [23:18:22] hah [23:18:23] see [23:18:30] SoM: i am calm' [23:18:34] hobo: you are trolling [23:18:37] or are you being teh sracastic SoM [23:18:45] * dmwaters looks at gatewatcher [23:18:46] and again [23:18:47] sarcastic* [23:18:52] gatewatcher: um, what? [23:19:03] when you said settle down [23:19:03] you are calling my opinions trolling [23:19:11] Trolling != speaking your mind [23:19:15] hobo: no, you are trolling [23:19:27] no [23:19:30] you are saying lots of stuff to try to get a negative reaction out of others. [23:19:31] trolling is when you deliberatly say inflammatory statements intended to produce an angry response [23:19:32] period [23:19:45] if trolling to you is OMG IM GOING TO LOSE TO A LOWLY USER [23:19:45] som said it before me, but just less eloquently [23:19:50] well, why are you getting angry??? [23:19:51] define trolling [23:19:53] heh [23:19:56] scroll up [23:19:58] define opinion [23:19:59] Hobo: bs just did [23:20:13] he's trying to convey his thoughts on the issue, and you get angry and tell him to settle down [23:20:22] define opinion [23:20:25] opinion is one's personally held views on something, not as strong as a belief, and not necessarily a fact [23:20:50] in this case, your statement of your opinion comes across as a troll [23:20:55] gatewatcher: no he's speaking as one who is trying to rally a mob to kill someone [23:21:00] I'm not trying to piss anyone off, I'm just stating my views on this whole situation [23:21:02] that's not expressing thoughts [23:21:17] not trying to and doing so are two different things [23:21:18] that's inflamitory [23:21:18] then what do you see as expressing thoughts [23:21:23] something that everyone agrees on? [23:22:01] it's ok to express your opinion on things and differ from others [23:22:02] opinion is one's personally held views on something, I'm just expressing my views, trolling is when you deliberatly say inflammatory statements intended to produce an angry response and last time I checked, I didn't go "LOLLOLLOLOL #$*% U FREENODE LOLOLOL" [23:22:11] but in this case, the channel rules are NOT up for discussion [23:22:13] Hobo: you can say no, I don't like this and let it go at that, but your trolling by pushing and pushing and pushing till people become angry and frustrated [23:22:17] still i haevnt swore [23:22:20] i'm sorry but i'm in agreement with hobo here, what you call trolling is him trying to explain his opinions on these new rules/policies whatever [23:22:38] like i said, they aren't up for discussion or changing [23:22:45] hobo: you are saying the exact same opinion again and again [23:22:55] and talking about them in public is just likely to cause a disturbance, as is happening now [23:22:57] BECAUSE THATS HIS OPINION [23:22:58] Hobo: if you want to take it further, take it to msg. it's a lot better for the channel that way [23:23:01] heh =P [23:23:17] without opinion this channel would be idle [23:23:19] "Zdoom is trying to make everyone the same" "free thought not welcome in #zdoom" "zdoom is being controlled" <--- um, all same opinion [23:23:21] channel temp, christ [23:23:28] so wait, we cant talk about the policies? [23:23:38] hobo: um, no [23:23:40] it serves no good [23:23:42] they aren't up for debate [23:23:46] at least not in public [23:23:46] gatewatcher: he's forcing his opinion wether he realizes it or not, he's said his opinion several times, and we've heard it [23:24:11] * dmwaters nods at som [23:24:12] so any debate on them is purly inflamitory because it can serve no other purpose [23:24:22] yes, purely inflammatory [23:24:32] and all of this without me saying anything [23:24:40] you said something [23:24:46] YOU all are raising the temperature with this [23:24:49] hobo: you said quite a few lines of "nothing" [23:24:59] SoM: likewise [23:25:02] but it was like you said nothing, that's how it goes arround here [23:25:03] hobo: you are the one saying words in all caps [23:25:14] that was me [23:25:31] i'm not forcing my views on anyone, i never told people to rebel, they kinda do it on their own, like gatewatcher [23:25:48] Hobo: wether you realize it or not though you're encouraging it [23:25:49] gatewatcher: pay close attention to his line where he says "YOU all are raising..." see the word in all caps there? [23:25:51] and i have not said yelled this whole time [23:26:08] there is no reality, only perception [23:26:15] oh, SOM, i thought you were reffering to my line, sorry [23:26:16] you percieve that you are not forcing your opinion on others [23:26:17] its an emphasis [23:26:20] not yelling [23:26:23] yet others percieve that you are [23:26:24] Hobo: if you want to talk about the polacy, we can talk in msg, but let's not drag it out here [23:26:38] ugh [23:26:41] no use [23:26:47] why not, is this not a public forum of discussion? [23:27:00] apparently not [23:27:03] gatewatcher: as som said the policy is not open to debate [23:27:03] it's a forum of discussion for anything besides the rules of discussion and behavior [23:27:13] and i don't feel like dragging it on to more useless debate [23:27:20] and why are those not up? [23:27:31] * dmwaters points at the topic [23:27:34] so it's a public discussion, just not for certain subjects [23:27:52] do I have to create a rules page and spell it out? [23:28:00] a public discussion moderated by certain people entrusted to their job who use their judgement in silencing certain topics [23:28:03] because if I have to I will [23:28:13] * schepe wonders when hobo & gang is going to realise that they have they ability to join another irc network if they don't like the policys in this one. [23:28:27] what would be the point? [23:28:42] most of all doomers are here, and we all get along for the most part [23:28:50] because i like the community here, and because no one is willing to move because it is a pain in the arse [23:28:55] we just disagree on some things, like this, so why move? [23:29:15] heh [23:29:23] Hobo: gatewatcher tell me, do I need to create a rules page to spell things out? [23:29:30] YES [23:29:35] do it [23:29:35] please [23:29:38] fine [23:29:45] give me a couple of days [23:29:55] k [23:29:58] dmwaters: and be sure to put "NO CURSING" on it! [23:30:02] :) [23:30:05] heheheheh [23:30:06] and in the meantime, watch the complete havoc and stupidity [23:30:13] schepe: I won't go quite that far [23:30:27] "no cursing when minors are present" then? [23:30:30] please? [23:30:35] no cursing in excess [23:30:38] schepe: I'll talk to you about it later [23:30:42] just a little note that crsing might raise the channel temperature? [23:30:49] something about cursing? [23:30:52] :) [23:31:15] are you kidding? [23:31:23] schepe: you're right, but sometimes there are things that you need to ease up on a little [23:31:59] another words follow the rules, but sometimes you have to bend them a little to prevent total disaster [23:32:24] understand guys? [23:32:24] like i said, if you can't hand a simple four letter word such as fuck, you shouldn't be on an internet chat room. [23:32:30] handle rather [23:32:43] especially if you're a minor [23:32:54] gatewatcher: but if it becomes excessive, then it becomes a problem [23:33:08] gatewatcher: see where I'm coming from? [23:33:36] no not really, i don't see how cursing is a problem at all [23:33:56] if people have a cursing problem, let them learn on their own, not with divine intervention [23:35:21] basically as long as you guys keep it decently clean your fine. if you guys get excessive then we have a problem with it. [23:35:37] I can't put it any simpler then that [23:35:49] then explain bbg Session Close (#zdoom): Fri Jul 25 23:36:01 2003 Session Start (orwell.freenode.net:#zdoom): Fri Jul 25 23:37:10 2003 [23:37:10] *** Now talking in #zdoom. *** Topic of #zdoom: I think some of you need to read this again - (Link: http://www.freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml)http://www.freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml *** Set by ChanServ 4205 minutes ago *** Users on #zdoom: Sangueffusor Zack`away Bloodshedder SoM fyre^OS bleak tet deathz0r Hobo lament tobester TisBoyo gatewatcher dmwaters aurikan power_olo AirRaid _Raider_ {BaRaKa} chroz _5h|away Mankeli_ schepe PPGEyrd Insomniak BBG Dan0 locust Quast Hirogen2 udk Ebola Manc boris_zZz _Lyfe_ *** End of /NAMES list. *** Your user mode is "+eiw" *** Mode for channel #zdoom is "+stncF" *** Channel #zdoom was created at Sun Nov 03 02:59:46 2002 [23:37:40] *** Join to #zdoom completed in 30 seconds. [23:37:49] Hobo: he has done that tons of times [23:38:02] he said bullshit [23:38:06] ive heard worse [23:38:16] *** Signoff: Bloodshedder (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: Sangueffusor!BS@67-39-236-52.ded.ameritech.net))) [23:38:17] oh well. bbg's a mong, is that a crime? [23:38:19] *** Sangueffusor is now known as Bloodshedder [23:38:21] i think everyone in here can handle a bit of rough jerkstore language [23:38:54] the minors have to be protected [23:38:58] oh well, I'm not going to repeat myself again [23:39:00] there's one thing you don't seem to grasp [23:39:01] ... [23:39:07] it does not matter if you have a problem with cursing [23:39:13] it matters if the ops have a problem with cursing [23:39:25] heh, yeah [23:39:27] supreme being mindset again [23:39:41] you can't get around the fact that we run the channel and we enforce the rules [23:39:43] hobo: no [23:39:48] you are completely wrong [23:39:56] it's not "supreme being" mindset [23:40:21] it's "ok, these guys aren't listening and obviously don't care about what I am saying so why bother?" [23:40:47] debate finished [23:41:04] i listened to everything you said [23:41:12] ahem [23:41:13] bah [23:41:17] again THE OPS ALWAYS WIN!!!1 [23:41:22] WE OWN YOU ALL [23:41:23] of course [23:41:24] *** Mode change "+q hobo!*@*" for channel #zdoom by dmwaters [23:41:32] that's bullshit [23:41:40] gatewatcher: drop it [23:41:49] well, it is [23:41:55] completely and utterly [23:41:58] just let it go please [23:42:16] let's take his voice for diasagreements [23:42:21] *** Mode change "+q gatewatcher!*@*" for channel #zdoom by dmwaters [23:42:29] sigh [23:43:15] *** mewse (~mewse@h24-79-53-100.wp.shawcable.net) has joined channel #zdoom [23:43:22] nice [23:43:34] nothing to see here, move along now [23:45:27] *** Signoff: tet ((null)) [23:48:27] *** Signoff: SoM ("night guys") [23:49:13] *** mewse has left #zdoom [23:55:00] *** Hobo has left #zdoom [23:57:27] *** bleak has left #zdoom [00:00:39] heh [00:00:54] clearly gatewatcher broke the guidelines [00:01:15] After all, doesn't it say in the guidelines: "NEVER QUESTION THE ACTIONS OF THE STAFF"? [00:01:18] Oh wait, it doesn't [00:01:21] er ;\ [00:03:08] * dmwaters looks at lament and sighs [00:04:10] dmwaters: what? Had this happened on any other channel, lots of people would seriously dislike you. [00:04:23] Fortunately most people here seriously disilke you already, so no big deal. [00:04:41] I don't. But it's getting harder. :) [00:05:58] *** gw_sleep (gatewatche@pool-141-157-182-69.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined channel #zdoom [00:06:50] *** Signoff: gatewatcher (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) [00:09:44] heh [00:09:56] lament i lubyoo [00:10:15] do you. [00:10:19] *** gw_sleep is now known as gatewatcher [00:19:19] <_Lyfe_> ;) [00:19:23] <_Lyfe_> woops.. wrongwindow. [00:24:56] *** deathz0r is now known as BBQLicker [00:25:47] *** BBQLicker is now known as deathz0r [00:30:29] *** Hobo (~Hobo@dialup-226-212.reachone.net) has joined channel #zdoom [00:50:17] *** dmwaters has changed the topic on channel #zdoom to this channel is now closed. [00:50:27] *** Mode change "+i" for channel #zdoom by dmwaters [00:50:29] closed to what [00:51:03] closed as in closed [00:51:15] as in as the founder I'm chosing to close it [00:51:18] choosing [00:53:05] *** Signoff: Hobo (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: Hobo|away!~Hobo@dialup-226-122.reachone.net))) [00:55:35] hey really [00:55:36] wgy [00:55:38] why [00:58:49] tobester: because, it's on it's 3rd founder, I've had people ask me to close it and people here have driven off half my channel staff [00:58:49] *** Signoff: Zack`away (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [00:59:22] k [00:59:37] tobester: and to throw that in,everyone seems to have something against the guidelines [00:59:45] not everyone [00:59:52] ok, most [00:59:58] i wouldn't even say that [01:00:03] i'd say a select few [01:00:08] <_Lyfe_> "many" is satisfiable. [01:00:17] who are more or less the reason why this channel was closed [01:00:26] <_Lyfe_> i don't think that's important. [01:00:32] why spoil everything for the majority when the minority is causing the problem? [01:00:42] <_Lyfe_> becuase the majority didn't run them off. [01:00:54] Bloodshedder: because when a channel makes the founder misserable, it's time to do something about it [01:01:08] <{BaRaKa}> heh [01:01:09] like find a founder that it doesn't make miserable? heh [01:01:23] Bloodshedder: it's more then just the founder. [01:02:00] Bloodshedder: it's also what the people seem to think about the channel guidelines [01:05:18] *** Mode change "+m" for channel #zdoom by dmwaters [01:05:35] *** _Lyfe_ has left #zdoom [01:09:39] *** Signoff: _5h|away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [01:13:27] *** Signoff: gatewatcher ("Sleep.") [01:14:01] *** lament has left #zdoom [01:59:44] *** Signoff: BBG ("BBG-Lined") [02:28:20] *** Signoff: fyre^OS ("double deuce!!") [02:31:52] *** Signoff: deathz0r (" I want to talk to your mom. || no you don't || she thinks deathz0r is some pedophile || that wan) Session Close (#zdoom): Sat Jul 26 03:05:40 2003